Category Archives: 6S45P

Finalizing the 6S45P Part four

The simplest amplifier obsession Part 0
Breadboard amplifier Part 1
Chassis building Part two
Assembling the 6S45P amplifier Part three
Finalizing the 6S45P Part four – this one

After having played the 6S45P for a few days I decided to try to improve hum by rewiring the heater and signal wires and reworking the star ground system. I ran the heater wires along the wall, and stretched two coaxial wires directly to the sockets, across the inside of the amp, Taking care to cross other wires at close to 90 degrees. This reduced hum somewhat, but it was still present.

The next step was to rebuild the power supply on a tag board. This would eliminate the ground plane on the PCB and create a cleaner single ground point to chassis.

This is a developing story – sorry for not posing it completed

Assembling the 6S45P amplifier, part three

The Christmas holidays are coming and the darkest part of the winter is here, only 4 hours of light each day. I have time, again, to work on my 6S45P amplifier continued from part two.
I´ve finished it in this part so here are all the links to this story:
The simplest amplifier obsession Part 0
Breadboard amplifier Part 1
Chassis building Part two
Assembling the 6S45P amplifier Part three – this one.
Finalizing the 6S45P Part four

Her goes the story:
Today I began soldering the output transformer to the banana sockets in the back of the amp. The wire was bent and zip-tied in place to give a neat appearance. I am hoping to finish this amp really neatly inside since it is so simple. I also mounted the signal input wires from the RCA plugs. I used CAT 5 twisted pairs encapsulated in thick aluminum foil to avoid hum. The wire package was tacked to the inside frame to be as far from the power supply as possible.

Now I had to decide on an operating point. The datasheet recommends 30mA at 150V, but several builders have tested the tube to be robust far beyond that point. After experimenting on the breadboard earlier this year I decided on operating the 6S45P at 175V and 40mA which will put the operating point just below the recommended power dissipation limit shown as the purple curve. In the diagram below the red lines point at the operating point, and the green line shows the voltage swing with an input of 2 Volts, typical max from a modern CD player. The slope of the green line is calculated by finding how much current is lost over 100Volts when loaded with the 5000ohm transformer. I=U/R so 100/50000=0.02A. So the slope is 20mA per 100Volts.

 Next I built the power supply, which is the most components in the design. This amp is almost only a power supply and 5 other components. I simulated the power supply, roughly, in Duncan Amps PSUD2. Since I was using the Russian 5Ц4С  I found nearest equivalent 5Z4P (unfortunately not G) data on Duncan amps pages and added to PSUD2´s rectifier list. The transformer is 240 to 190-0-190v and I used rectifier load of 5K to simulate my 5K output transformer. Usually it is recommended to use current draw for the operating point, but it did not seem to match my breadboard results. A confounding factor was not having the precise manufacturers data on the transformer or 5U4S in PSUD2.

Closest approximation in PSUD2 with Resistive load 5k.

I built the power supply´s smoothing section on a piece of experimenters board bolted at 90 degrees to the chassis. I could have isolated the board creating a better star ground point, but was impatient to get going. The power transformer has several optional taps that I cut short, isolated with heat shrink, and zip tied. At this point the dream of clean wiring started to crumble – as it usually does!

First capacitor 3uF to the left, then 100uF, 100R, 100uF, 100R, red wire i B+.

Angle brackets keep the board in place. Green/Yellow wire is heater for the rectifier.
Important: the bleeder resistor is connected between the two 100uF caps to drain them at power of.
Overview of the power supply. The switch is not mounted to the brown wire yet. I prefer switching through a ground fault protection switch.

Next I wired up the amplifier tubes. The 6S45P has several connecting points for cathode and grid. you only need to use one, so I chose the ones that reduced crossed wires to a minimum.
for novices pins are counted clockwise as seen from under the socket. starting from the gap on nine pin mini or from the key on octal sockets. 

Socket wiring:  Yellow pin 4 and 5 is heater, Orange pin 6 is cathode, Blue pin 7 is plate, Green pin 8 is grid and black in the middle is a local start ground for this channel.
The mA meter is connected to ground and then the cathode bias is created by series connecting a 22ohm resistor to a 50ohm trim potentiometer. A 470uF 35V capacitor is connected in parallel to the resistors. the light in the mA meter is fed 6.3v ac in parallel to the heaters.
Here is the first attempt at wiring. Not so neat after all. As usual. The yellow ac heater wires should not be routed out into the circuit, but kept along the side.

First power up. Oh why do I never get round to finishing that variac and light bulb load? I connect three multimeters to B+, filament 6.3v and 5 volt, the onboard mA meters show me the current. Connect the amp through a ground fault switch,  and hope for the best …. NO Smoke! The rectifier takes about 10 seconds to conduct properly. All voltages pretty good. I need to reduce minimum cathode resistance to get to 40mA. I can´t adjust it with the 33ohm limiting resistor I have now. Test with sound. One channel has a bad contact. After powering down and waiting for capacitors to drain I locate it by poking at contacts with a screwdriver. Its a resistor in the cathode circuit.  Now all I have to do is mount the switch and build the bottom.

I use some pieces of wood to support the transformer

Three voltmeters and the dummy load connected for first power up. Also I have a automatic ground fault switch connected to the mains cord, and switch mains of remotely.

The final schematic with measured voltages in red. A perfect beginners project!
UPDATE: I am not completely happy with Musical Power supplies for this application due to to the magnetic field inducing hum in trafo cover. I did have some hum, and when reworking the layout hum in the transformer also was reduced. you might consider equivalent Edcor or  even Sowther power transformers.

There a often discussions about what is the best beginners tube amplifier on forums like DIY Audio etc. I think this amplifier is the best place you can start because voltages are relatively low. (still deadly tho). You can follow up the amplifier build with a nice 95dB/w full range speaker and spend some quality time wondering why people spend tens of thousands on high end equipment.

If you want to build this amplifier really simply, take a look at how I did it on the breadboard version. Drop the ampere meter and the trimmer pot on the cathode.  Drop the tube rectifier and go for a cheaper lower power output transformer. With a cheap 220v to 120v transformer in a 240v country you will get close to 175v B+ using a normal bridge rectifier, 1 amp 600v should do, and capacitor resistor capacitor (CRC) smoothing, but make sure the transformer is a little over size to handle the extra voltage. Maybe 500mA or so. For heater use a 3 Amp 240 to 12 volt transformer and wire the tubes in series. And never leave out the grid stopper resistor soldered right up to the grid tag on the socket. The 6S45P can become a high frequency ADHD squirel if you do 🙂

Here are all the links to this story:
The simplest amplifier obsession Part 0
Breadboard amplifier Part 1
Chassis building Part two
Finishing the 6S45P amplifier Part three – top of this one.

Building the 6S45P amplifier part two

Here are all the links to this story:
The simplest amplifier obsession Part 0
Breadboard amplifier Part 1
Chassis building Part two – this one
Assembling the 6S45P amplifier Part three
Finalizing the 6S45P Part four

The summer vacation is over and the weather is turning grey and rainy again here. Time to start making a finished version of the 6S45P breadboard prototype I built in April. My follow through ability has been too low, there are several projects floating in limbo right now. We´ll see what the winter brings.
The plan with this amp is to do a couple of new things, at least for me. I want to build the chassis in the traditional style of using an aluminum sheet for mounting all the components, and then fixing the sheet in a wooden frame. The second thing I want to try is to use the 5Ц4С as a hybrid rectifier bridge. this uses an octal socket so if it does not work I have several other options.


For output transformers I am still using the Edcor GXSE 10-6-5K transformers from the breadboard, but for the power supply I decided to buy a transformer with all the necessary supply’s rather than to patch together something with several simple power transformers I already have. I decided to take a chance on a no-brand transformer from China, sold through musicalpowersupplies.com on Ebay.
Type nr. PT190.2i: primary voltage 220 or 240V, secondary 190-0-55-190 centertapped, 6.3V x 3A, 5V/6.3Vx2A filament winding.

Edcor GXSE 10-6-5K, 6 ohm output. Painted all white.

Musical Power Supplies PT190.2i:

190-0-55-190 Centertapped Output 120mADC, 220 or 240Vac in,  (1) 6.3V x 3A, (1) Combo 5A/6.3Vac x 2A filament winding, I painted the transformer white and polished the Zinc Plated finish



For materials I found some scrap aluminum at work, which was painted white with a clear finish and of-cuts of beech, which were cut and finished like this:

There are several considerations when planning an amplifier layout.
First you should make sure the power transformer is far from the sensitive input signal. Then the magnetic field of the power transformer should be far from the output transformers, and preferably oriented 90 degrees to avoid inducing noise in the output. All the components should be arranged around a star ground, preferably with a sub star for the noisy power supply. And then there is the issue of routing the filament wires away from the signal wires and positioning things to make it easy to do point to point wiring. Finally the design should be visually pleasing and the controls should be placed in a position were they are easy to reach and see.

Finally the design is starting to take shape! I will have the power transformer in the front left with a  rectifier tube behind it. The output transformers are in the middle and right rear and create a symmetrical space in front for the tubes and the mA meters. In the middle front is the volume control. Power switch and fuse is on the rear panel left.

More to come…
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Update11 october 2011: Another two months passed by before I managed to continue the project. In the meantime I have painted parts. The only part left now is the back panel so its time to mount all the hardware and see what I have created. Before I show all the pictures, Yes, I know I didn’t turn the power transformer 90 degrees like I said. It didn’t look good and took room from the rectifier. Since its pretty far away, I´m taking my chances. Here is the eye-candy!


One of the screws for the amp meter is missing this is the hole for adjusting current.
Volume knob is temporary, but black works pretty well, I think.
power transformer is slightly out of line – on the to-do list

Building a 6S45P amplifier

Here are all the links to this story:
The simplest amplifier obsession Part 0
Breadboard amplifier Part 1 – this one
Chassis building Part two
Assembling the 6S45P amplifier Part three
Finalizing the 6S45P Part four

After the simplest amplifier obsession last month, I ordered parts. Yesterday the output transformers arrived, as the last components. I built the breadboard amplifier the same evening and was playing music on it by night. Everything worked right of the bat. No hum even!

 The power supply and filament supply

A 230V to 12V transformer supplies two series connected  6S45P triodes with filament voltage of 6V AC.
A second 230V to 120V transformer is rectified and passes through a 100uF, 100ohm Resistor, 220uF (CRC) filter to provide a B+ of 156V DC to the anode of both triodes through two  Edcor GXSE 10-6-5K transformers.
On the cathode side a 50 ohm resistor provides 35mA current at -1,5Volts. It is bypassed with 470uF 35v capacitor for each triode. An ampere meter between the cathode and the cathode resistor shows the current. I plan to add a resistor network with a 50ohm trimmer potentiometer in place of the cathode resistor. The signal passes through a 100K potentiometer and a grid stopper. Right now the grid stopper is 120ohm, I will experiment with other values. Anyway, Thats IT!

Manipulated picture of the glow. 10 second exposure.

After I had listened to it for a while I decided to try some other operating points. I changed the power transformers to two 240 to 12 v back to back. The first 240 to 12V provided filament voltage, the second 240 to 12, was connected to 12 volt so it transformed back up to 230V losing a bit on the way. I now had enough power to explore operating points beyond the tubes 7,5 Watt dissipation limit.
I had to go up to 225V 50mA before I saw a hint of red on the the tubes shields. Other people have  driven it even further, but I let it stay at this point for several days of listening sessions. I finally decided that an operating point just under the dissipation limit would be a good mix of longevity and power, and ended up choosing 170-180 at 40mA at the sweet spot.

And this is what it might turn into:
Go To Part 2 of this story

I dream of building it out of white Corian.

A new Obsession- The simplest possible amp

This story is the first of a series:
The simplest amplifier obsession Part 0 – this one
Breadboard amplifier Part 1
Chassis building Part two
Assembling the 6S45P amplifier Part three
Finalizing the 6S45P Part four

6S45P
It´s the little tube that could! Rumor has it we are talking about 2mm titanium plates, platinum wire etc. It´s most famous use is in a radar pulse scan preamp in MIG 25.

No larger than a an ordinary 12AT7 it is all you need for a very reductionist single ended triode amp.  A potentiometer, grid stopper, the 6S45P and a output transformer are all that is between you and the signal.
Torbens HIFI in Denmark has the specifications.
I have found a push pull version by poinxie” who has cleaned up the curves, and posted a nice set of curves. Klausmobile has tested the tubes and built an amp. Here is a nice design by Paeng
Here is an extremely interesting story of pushing the tube to its limits

Take a look at Carstens amp the single ended 6s45p.
And Greenvalve pushing the tube to its limits
And here the Thai Audio people are at is as well.

Over at VT52.com they have tested an amp built on the 6s45p
They also have a nice description of the circuit.
A very comprehensive site of 6s45P circuits by Stefano Perugini. 
Stefano Perugini has a Pspice model and suggested PCB layout as well.
Sergeev21 has this schematic
Diy Audio Guide has a schematic with a few embelishments.

7mari has a really well speced version on an experiments chassis, that he is running at 250v

But is this the simplest?
The absolute simplest?
One tube, with one triode to do it all is pretty cool, but we still need a transformer with a secondary winding for heaters. wouldn’t it be cool to get rid of that heater winding?

50EH5
The 50EH5 is the absolute champion of simple. If you have a simpler solution – send it to me. You can series-heat two of them with the same voltage as B+
The only down side is that this tube is not a triode, it is a pentode. You might be able to triode strap it but you still need a few extra solder points.

 

Here is a description of a circuit and a build by Giovanni Militano on DIY Audio projects.com
For now I will focus on building the 6S45P, but in the future I´d love to try this one as well.

Here are links to the rest of my 6S45P project:
The simplest amplifier obsession Part 0 – this one
Breadboard amplifier Part 1
Chassis building Part two
Assembling the 6S45P amplifier Part three
Finalizing the 6S45P Part four